TRIPLETS!!! 2 DOWN!!! HELP!!!

Discussion in 'Kidding Koral' started by Sarah, Mar 28, 2011.

  1. Sarah

    Sarah New Member

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    Mar 11, 2011
    Olive, Oklahoma
    Boer doe had her kids. triplets. left her alone for 45 min. when i got back 2 were almost lifeless and 1 was up nursing!!!! the 2 are in the house with me. temps were 94.0 and unregisterable. now they are 98.4 and 99.7. couldnt get them to nurse after getting them dry and warmer. so i got a bottle. l got the one with a lower temp to take a bit of colostrum and the other hasnt got it yet. she is rooting but cant get her to actually take anything. what do i do? i saved placenta and i dont have much on hand! Im scared...please help!!

    got them wrapped up, dry and over the heater vent. what else?
     
  2. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    Ok first you do not want them to get any milk till their temps are above 100

    TO get their temps up to normal (101-103) you want ot keep up what you are doing. but also rub them good, this helps to keep the blood moving.

    You can give coffee and karo mixture (some add whiskey) give 3cc of this mixture.
     

  3. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    You can take them in the house, put a wash cloth in a big ziplock bag, fill half way with water and put it in the microwave...when it's pretty warm you can use it as a heating pad and surround the kids with it, then take a blow dryer and just keeping drying them. I've had to do this on several occations and it's worked every time to get those temps up.

    And as Stacey said, don't give them milk until they're temps are normal. Good luck!
     
  4. Sarah

    Sarah New Member

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    Mar 11, 2011
    Olive, Oklahoma
    no whiskey got vodka. can i use that? they were born about 5pm. got a heating pad. temps slowly going up. they are wanting to sleep but wanting to nurse. sleep is winning out. and making coffee now.
     
  5. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    yeah -- mix equal parts with coffee and karo (or some use molasses, you need the sugar boost)
     
  6. Sarah

    Sarah New Member

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    Mar 11, 2011
    Olive, Oklahoma
    ok. gave them mixture. took temps and they are 100 and 100.1. the one with the 100.1 temp is up running jumping and screaming. the one with the 100 temp is on heating pad just laying there awake. not moving. if you mess with her she will move her head and maybe lift it up but not much more. worried about her..... how long will the mixture take to work and what do i do next?
     
  7. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    see if the one moving around would like some colostrum - try a bottle if not syringe feed. For the one not really interested do you have any electrolytes? I would mix with warm water and try giving her some.

    note: 30cc is 1 ounce so it takes a lot of syringe feeding to give them 1 ounce.
     
  8. Sarah

    Sarah New Member

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    Mar 11, 2011
    Olive, Oklahoma
    I think she was just resting. she is up and crying for food now. i have already milked mom and got the colostrum. just cant get her to take it. she is all over the place now and the other is now resting. i will just syringe it. how much should i do how often?
     
  9. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    Good for you in the fast action. Is there anyway mom will take them back? Just a thought so they get Some good nursing. I use a sock with rice and tied off and heated in microwave that holds the heat longer good luck and keep up the good work
     
  10. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    can you try her back with mom?

    she needs 1-2 ounces

    one ounce is 30cc
     
  11. Sarah

    Sarah New Member

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    Mar 11, 2011
    Olive, Oklahoma
    I want to try to put them back with mom. i just didnt know if it was safe in their previous condition. i saved the placenta in case i needed to rub it on them. i have taken them out there once when i got them dry and warmer. mom licked one a little but not much and would only smell the other. but is being great with the one that was nursing when i found them.
     
  12. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    give her time to realize they are hers and put teh one she likes near her when they go towards the udder ot nurse.
     
  13. RPC

    RPC Boer Goat Breeder

    Good luck. It might take some time but I hope she excepts them back.
     
  14. Sarah

    Sarah New Member

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    Mar 11, 2011
    Olive, Oklahoma
  15. Sarah

    Sarah New Member

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    Mar 11, 2011
    Olive, Oklahoma
    i took them out to mom for a while. she wasnt to interested in them but wasnt aggressive either. she lets them nurse one side while i milk the other. just cant get the one doeling to nurse or take a bottle. and very much disagrees with me putting a syringe in her mouth. i have made myself a bed on the floor with the 2 doelings and have already milked so i will just try every time they wake up/every 2 hours? to feed them. Thank you everyone!! You are wonderful people! good night. I will check in tomorrow.
     
  16. Sarah

    Sarah New Member

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    Mar 11, 2011
    Olive, Oklahoma
    Re: TRIPLETS!!! 2 DOWN!!! HELP!!! -----UPDATE

    We made it through the night! Everyone is ok, and of course...A storm blew in last night with hail and all!!! The doelings are getting 2oz of colostrum every 2 hours via syringe (they suck on it but not the bottle). And one of the doelings nurses on mom while I milk her other side. Mom does not watch out for them as she does the buckling. And I think it will be safer to keep them inside with me and keep taking them out to nurse when I go out to milk. She isnt aggressive towards them just pretends they arent there. She doesnt even answer when they call to her. But I guess as long as she will let them nurse I can live with that. The doeling that wont nurse still seems like a kid of only about an hour or 2 old. (cant get up when falls, doesnt cry much, gives up and sleeps too easily, and can barely take 3 steps without falling) I dont know if I should be helping her when she falls or if I should just stand by. And how can i get them to take a bottle? I have the black kid/lamb nipples and a pop bottle. I feel like I am up to my ears in this with not enough experience. Any advice? And thank you everyone again for all the emmediate help last night! I dont know what I would have done with out you!
     
  17. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    Ok I would try getting the red pritchard nipples and they screw on to pepsi brand bottles (not coke for some reason the threads are different) and they work much better for my goats.

    Do you have any BoSe or selenium? If you dont have selenium gel or BoSe then get selenium tablets and crush up and syringe feed. Give also some Vit E - they need Vit E to be able to absorb the selenium.
     
  18. Springbett Farm

    Springbett Farm Senior Member

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    Jan 5, 2011
    Nebraska
    I've had luck using rubber glove fingers on a pop bottle with a rubber band. It's amazing what you can do in a pinch.
     
  19. Sarah

    Sarah New Member

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    Mar 11, 2011
    Olive, Oklahoma
    I dont have either, Stacey. But I am about to make a run to the store to get that kind of stuff. I got them to take a human nipple. The store has the bo-se I am sure of. I will get it and the vit e. Thank you!
    Springbett, I should have tried that last night! It was aweful with all the techniques I was trying last night to get them to eat!!
     
  20. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    BoSe is a RX so you can just go get if from a store. But some places do carry Selenium paste with vit e