just an update on copper shes up and moving around all be it very stiffly . we've been giving her b-12 shots and la 200 along with the probios and electrolytes in the water. she's slowly getting better. never did find a vet in our area that would see her. grrr.so its all trial and error on our part as to figure out what had to be done. we were supposed to worm her again today but i think i'll wait till friday and see how she's doing. thanks so much for everyones helpfull advice.