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Hi all,
I've got a young (1 year old) pygmy whether that seems to have trouble with CD&T vaccines. He got tasvax in May and about 3 weeks after the shot a lump appeared at the injection site which grew significantly over the next couple of days. Took him to the vet after-hours and they provided him an antihistamine shot which didn't seem to do a ton but didn't hurt.
Fast forward to yesterday we decided to try Glanvac 6 on him (& the rest of the herd who is only getting their 1st dose) as it seems less likely to cause reactions. While none of the rest of the herd seems to have any issues, this morning our boy has significant swelling and isn't nearly as interested in food as he normally is, and where he normally comes right to his humans when they go into his pen he is avoiding us.

I feel like I might've over reacted last time by taking him to the vet, but obviously still going to monitor him closely. I noticed when he pooped this morning that everything looked normal. I'm looking for any guidance from you more experienced folks in terms of what my line in the sand should be for calling the vet again. Also, would ice packs help? Anything else I can do to help him out? Should I move the buck to another pen so he doesn't harass him today?

Also, in the longer term, I am not sure how I feel about going through this again each year. I recognize the importance of regular CD&T vaccination but am fairly torn now on what will be best for him.

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I would give him Benadryl just to help him with the reaction. Cold compresses won't hurt at all. I would not re vaccinate him. Each time he can have a worse reaction. Keep cd antitoxin and tetanus antitoxin on hand in case there is ever a need. I have not vaccinated my herd in many years. I find I have less rumen issues since I stopped. I'm not suggesting vaccinating is wrong, but it's not for everyone. And it's not for this guy.
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I would give him Benadryl just to help him with the reaction. Cold compresses won't hurt at all. I would not re vaccinate him. Each time he can have a worse reaction. Keep cd antitoxin and tetanus antitoxin on hand in case there is ever a need. I have not vaccinated my herd in many years. I find I have less rumen issues since I stopped. I'm not suggesting vaccinating is wrong, but it's not for everyone. And it's not for this guy.
thank you so much, this sounds like great advice. for the benadryl, are we talking liquid formulation + drenching? any input on dose?
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Did you vaccinate him in the neck? I would be concerned about neck swelling. Is he breathing and swallowing ok?
I do not give CDT. I had two bucklings react to it last year when I vaccinated them prior to selling. That sort of reconfirmed for me that it's not something I wanted to do. However, I have considered just giving tetanus shots, as tetanus does scare me. The issue with the combo vaccines is that you don't know exactly what is causing the reaction, or if the goat may be allergic to one of the 'carrier' ingredients that's in the vax.
Hope he will be ok!
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I use liquid..its easier to dose. Most goats love the taste lol. I would do adult human dosed based on weight...and yes..draw it up in a syringe and give orally
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Did you vaccinate him in the neck? I would be concerned about neck swelling. Is he breathing and swallowing ok?
I do not give CDT. I had two bucklings react to it last year when I vaccinated them prior to selling. That sort of reconfirmed for me that it's not something I wanted to do. However, I have considered just giving tetanus shots, as tetanus does scare me. The issue with the combo vaccines is that you don't know exactly what is causing the reaction, or if the goat may be allergic to one of the 'carrier' ingredients that's in the vax.
Hope he will be ok!
Yes, vet administered it and as far as I know this is the recommended injection spot even from the drug manufacturer. I moved the buck out and gave him some free-fed hay (normally they eat it through a slow feeder) and he immediately ate it. I get the feeling he is just not up for competing with his brother (the buck) like he normally does. All breathing and eating seems ok.
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Yes, vet administered it and as far as I know this is the recommended injection spot even from the drug manufacturer. I moved the buck out and gave him some free-fed hay (normally they eat it through a slow feeder) and he immediately ate it. I get the feeling he is just not up for competing with his brother (the buck) like he normally does. All breathing and eating seems ok.
I usually see people doing CDT in the loose skin behind the goat's front leg. But, I guess the neck works, too!
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You may want to consider not vaccinating that one goat. I had an alpaca that always had a mild reaction to CDT. I quit giving her the vaccine and no problems.
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I agree ☝

I always do the CD&T injection in the armpit area, tent the skin.
Never had a bad reaction.
They do get a small injection site abscess. Some respond with small, some are a little bigger. But is a round abscess.

If you punctured the injection in an artery or vein, it could cause swelling by busting the vessel.

I find giving injections in the neck cause issues. It really hurts and some goats have a bad reaction to it.
One goat years ago, was so sore she had a hard time moving her neck.
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I also had a goat that had reactions to the cdt vax. We tried her twice and after that no more. I always give in the armpit area too. I keep epi and benadryl on hand for the risk of reactions. I have injectable benadryl but have uses gel caps before in a pinch. Poking a needle in the gel cap and dosing. Some just can't handle the shots but agree with keeping the antitoxin on hand.
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Hi all,
I've got a young (1 year old) pygmy whether that seems to have trouble with CD&T vaccines. He got tasvax in May and about 3 weeks after the shot a lump appeared at the injection site which grew significantly over the next couple of days. Took him to the vet after-hours and they provided him an antihistamine shot which didn't seem to do a ton but didn't hurt.
Fast forward to yesterday we decided to try Glanvac 6 on him (& the rest of the herd who is only getting their 1st dose) as it seems less likely to cause reactions. While none of the rest of the herd seems to have any issues, this morning our boy has significant swelling and isn't nearly as interested in food as he normally is, and where he normally comes right to his humans when they go into his pen he is avoiding us.

I feel like I might've over reacted last time by taking him to the vet, but obviously still going to monitor him closely. I noticed when he pooped this morning that everything looked normal. I'm looking for any guidance from you more experienced folks in terms of what my line in the sand should be for calling the vet again. Also, would ice packs help? Anything else I can do to help him out? Should I move the buck to another pen so he doesn't harass him today?

Also, in the longer term, I am not sure how I feel about going through this again each year. I recognize the importance of regular CD&T vaccination but am fairly torn now on what will be best for him.

Adding a photo here as well.

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Hi everyone, just wanted to say thanks for all the thoughts and comments yesterday. The benadryl & ice packs together seemed to make a big difference and our boy is in much better health today. Was glad not to have to call the vet on the weekend again :)
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Yahoo..good news
YAY 😁
Has anyone seen increased reactions either from the Bar-Vac vaccine or from giving over the ribs? I did my kids last month near the armpit but not all the way down there, and they ALL got knots. Some more severe than others but every single one still has a bump there, and I haven't re-dosed. I was planning to pick up a new bottle in case it's that batch, although I don't recall the does having any reaction to their booster when they were pregnant. I'm also going to go back to giving it in front of the withers which is usually my preferred spot. Some kids had had other injections and I wanted to do CDT in a consistent spot on all of them that was clearly separated from any other. I'm more concerned about entero than tetanus.
We’ve always had bad lumps from Bar Vac. I’m changing brands next year
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BarVac does leave lumps, but I trust the brand, so I will continue to use it. ;)
I can get GoatVac (Colorado Serum) but it's only 10 dose. There's several brands of 8 way, which for some reason is cheaper, but that seems like overkill. Any other CDT in larger vials requires overnight shipping 😕
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