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Hi. I've had my goats for maybe a year now, very new. I have 4 total currently; 3 NDs (2 boys both fixed, and a doeling. they are triplets) and 1 nubian doeling. My question is about the boys.

So, the triplets turned a year old in feb, and the nubian will be 1 in april I believe. They all get grain, and I forgot what the brand is but it says its for show goats (not 100% sure). I have a 1/8th measuring up, and 4 feeding buckets. They each now get 3 scoops of the pellets each (before, when they were younger, i was feeding 2). They get the pellets morning and evening. The boys are definitely the more dominant ones, so once they're done eating their pellets (they eat faster than the girls) they kick the girls out of their buckets and steal the leftover crumbs. The girls usually eat most of the pellets before that happens, but not completely done.

So anyways, I've been seeing that bucks and wethers shouldn't get pellets because it causes some sort of health problem? If so, what should I do?? My pen thing is shaped like a rectangle, but there's a fence in the middle and a shed that we built that has doors leading out on each side of it to the other portion of the pen. During feeding time, should I move the boys over to the other portion of the pen and let the girls eat? Should I feed the boys any pellets at all??

I also feed them free choice manna pro goat minerals, and they get 3-4 flakes of hay in the morning.
Please let me know if I can improve their care in any way, if im doing anything wrong, etc.
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The main issue with grain for male goats is, that it can throw off the calcium-phosphorus ratio. This ratio should be around 2:1 , meaning 2 parts calcium to one part phosphorus.
If fed too much calcium, or too much phosphorus, male goats can get urinary calculi, which is a very serious condition, that leads to a painful death. So, balance is the key.
You have to figure out the total ratio of all the things they eat. What kind of hay are you feeding? Look up what the ratio is for that.
Some grain pellets are balanced. Others are not. Look on the bag, what it says for yours.
It is a bit of math you have to do.
Or you could just stick with grass hay, no grain. Most grass hay is a good ratio In itself. Wethers don’t usually need any grain, as they don’t “work” like does (kidding and lactating) and bucks (going through rut takes a lot of energy).
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So you are literally feeding them 3/8th of a cup of grain per day? That really isn't much. But I would separate them so the girls get their full share.
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So you are literally feeding them 3/8th of a cup of grain per day? That really isn't much. But I would separate them so the girls get their full share.
6 scoops total per day. Should the girls get more and the boys get less? I read this thing where it says to go off of a certain percent of body weight for does and certain percent for bucks and certain percent for wethers. Should I go off of that? I don't remember where I saw it at, or what the percentages were.
Also, just separate during feeding time correct?
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It really depends on what you are using the goats for. But the wethers don't need to eat the girls share of grain. Yes, just separate at feeding time.
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You want to ensure you have adequate levels of calcium to balance the phosphorus in grain. In my experience, just a 2:1 ratio (supposed "safe" ratio) of grain can still cause phosphorus stones. So it is still good to add more calcium even if the grain says it is balanced. 3:1 or 3.5:1 is actually more ideal.

Your water source can contain a lot of calcium, if it is hard or from a well and leaves white residue and deposits on sinks and dishes.

If your water is hard, I would feed a balanced 2:1 goat pellet alongside grass hay, loose mineral, and free choice kelp meal. Kelp bumps up the calcium a bit but not too much so as to cause problems with the water source.

Option two, if your water source is normal, feed the 2:1 goat pellet in a 50/50 ratio with alfalfa pellets.

If you are on the fence about just how hard your water is, you could also do the 2:1 goat pellet in 50/50 ratio with a blended pellet of alfalfa/timothy from standlee.
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If could do the food with our wethers differently I would. We have lost 2 to stones. Ours are pets and it was heart breaking. We currently have one who is recovering from surgery due to stones.

Vet said no grains...period. if it doesn't come from the ground don't give it to them. And the breeder said they were getting grains as babies. Still...

They can have as much timothy hay as they want. Foraging is alway preferred but the timothy hay is good.

Ammonium chloride is a must as well. 1teasp per 100lbs daily.

Good luck with your herd! 😊
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