wont get up/stay up whats wrong?

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by lauranrick, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. lauranrick

    lauranrick New Member

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    Oct 16, 2013
    my male boer won't get up. He CAN, but he's just laying there today. Not grinding his teeth or making any noise. Doesn't look like bloat, although we did the vegi oil and baking soda - but no air came out of him. I don't hear him ruminating. He ate last night, but I haven't seen him poo or pee today. He was stretching (long wayz like when a dog wakes up) and then laid down and won't get up. Any ideas? He doesn't eat grain, just grazes in the yard and we give them alfalfa at night. I don't think he ate anything poisonous. He just seems really lethargic.
     
  2. ksalvagno

    ksalvagno Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    What is his temp?
     

  3. goathiker

    goathiker I'm watching you Staff Member Supporting Member

    I would start treatment for Polio as It can't hurt anything and this may well be the beginning signs. treatment would be high doses of Thiamin. Fortified B complex can work in a pinch. It's large amounts. 4cc per 100lbs of the 200mg Thiamin or 8ccs per 100lbs of the 100mg vitamin B complex. Regular B complex has almost no Thiamin and takes massive doses.
    Take his temperature. If it starts rising at all use Pen G (1cc per 20lbs) and watch for symptoms of pneumonia or brain swelling.
    Brain swelling symptoms are dancing eyes, star gazing, tilting head, curling neck toward one side, laying with head curled back, etc.
     
  4. lauranrick

    lauranrick New Member

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    Oct 16, 2013
    temp

    his temp is 99-100
     
  5. goathiker

    goathiker I'm watching you Staff Member Supporting Member

    Too low, get him warmed up, warm blankets from the dryer, heat light, etc. Start the Thiamin as soon as possible, he needs it.
     
  6. Watzekfarm

    Watzekfarm New Member

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    Aug 7, 2013
    Desert Hills, Az
    What about stones? I could be way off since I'm still a newbie with goats but when my buck got stones he would stretch like that since he was straining to urinate and I think the alfalfa caused it. Like I said I could be way off though
     
  7. goathiker

    goathiker I'm watching you Staff Member Supporting Member

    With stones they are usually standing hunched and grinding their teeth in pain. Not to say it couldn't be part of the issue. BUT this guys rumen is shutting down and it must get going again or his body will get too cold to live.
     
  8. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    I use a heating pad and hot water bottles and wrap him and all that in a blanket. A heat lamp is good too.....I agree with goat hiker and also if you think stones if you sit him down and pull the skin back on his penis till you can see it. If the tip is black stones. I don't know this to be 100% true just read it when I was helping a friend with her goat.
     
  9. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    I would check for stones or water belly just to be sure but it sounds like his rumen is shutting down...He needs C D Antitoxin NOW....if you dont have any Milk of magnesia will help 15 cc per 60# 2 times a day until he is eating....I agree with the thiamine or Fortified B complex..Off him green leaves and hay only..no feed..he cant digest it right now...get him up, message him left side...Probios wont hurt either..
     
  10. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Yep, rumen is off give Probiotics and fortified vit B complex shot.
    Or he has stones, if he hasn't pee'd, I'd really be concerned and looking towards that as well.
     
  11. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
  12. lottsagoats

    lottsagoats Junior Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Middle Maine
    The low temp could be caused by UC, especially if he is in shock. Once the bladder bursts, they have no pain until the infection gets bad.

    I would treat him for Polio and watch very closely for UC. Make him get up and watch for him to pee. Most goats poop and pee when they get up.

    Is he dehydrated?

    BTW...alfalfa will NOT cause UC. That is an old wives tale. UC is caused by an imbalance in the calcium/phosphorus ratio. If the phos is too high, you can get stones.
     
  13. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
  14. lauranrick

    lauranrick New Member

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    Oct 16, 2013
    just to update, we notice that our goats tongue was black. a week later he was lame and yelling. he was very squirmy while on the ground, but never grinding teeth so i can't say he was in pain. our other goat started showing the same symptoms. black tongue, swollen face, lame (due to sores/bloody lines above hoves). turns out they had blue tongue disease. it comes from a biting nat -- after heavy rains in late summer. we had record rainfall this year. mortality rate is high since there is no treatment. they say it is "self limiting", but we had to put our boys down because it took soooo long to figure it out, and if self limiting means lame, foaming at the mouth, hard breathing, not eating, and excessive hair loss - than i'm not ok seeing them like that. i think this is super rare - but none the less. here's to all our goats in the sky. :(
     
  15. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    Yiks..Im so sorry..how scary!!
     
  16. Scottyhorse

    Scottyhorse New Member

    That is crazy. You are right, blue tongue is very rare. SO sorry about all your goats :( :hug:
     
  17. ksalvagno

    ksalvagno Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    I'm so sorry for your loss.