Worm load

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by Nimmy, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. Nimmy

    Nimmy New Member

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    Aug 26, 2020
    Arkansas
    Sent 2 fecal samples for analysis from 2 of my does. 11 year old Nubian/LaMancha cross had been losing weight, wormed with Safeguard and Ivermectin together. Rest of the herd, no weight loss, Nubians wormed with Safequard. Sent 2nd sample from 6 year old.
    Spoke with a tech repeating what vet said-"goats have worms, on a scale 1-4, first sample rated 2, second rated 1, Barber Pole primary". Recommended reworming 11 year old with Safequard or Ivermectin, if that didn't work Cydectin.
    The only large animal vet in the area, more than a little frustrated with this.
    This is new to me as I have used herbal mix wormer for years without problems but had to restrict girls to their yard this past year due to Perilla crustaceans within their fenced field.
    Would much appreciate the opinion of people who have actual knowledge of goats.
     
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  2. SalteyLove

    SalteyLove Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    New England
    Welcome!

    What dosage of Ivermectin and Safeguard were used for the initial deworming? What date was the deworming and what date was the analysis done?
     
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  3. Nimmy

    Nimmy New Member

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    Aug 26, 2020
    Arkansas
    Safeguard 5.25ml and Ivermectin 1 mg/weight approx. 75lb
    Safeguard 7ml/weight approx. 100lb-January 14.
    Analysis done January 18
     
  4. goatblessings

    goatblessings Fair-Haven Supporting Member

    Jan 5, 2015
    Southwest Ohio
    Too low of a dose to be effective. Ivermectin is 1 ml per 33 pounds, forget the dose for safeguard, but I'm sure it's on this forum. Baberpole is noting to mess with. At this point I would do cydectin 1 mil per 11 pounds. Drench orally.
     
  5. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    What herbal brand do you use? I use land of havilah with success but when weather is prime for worm bloom i add essential oils from Do terra. If you're wanting to stuck with the herbal treatment..I recommend doing acute dosing and adding fresh raw garlic daily.
     
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  6. Nimmy

    Nimmy New Member

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    Aug 26, 2020
    Arkansas
    @goatblessings-Cydectin for both or just the one with the higher level?
    @happybleats-Once I get this under control, I fully intend to go back to herbal remedies.
     
  7. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    I would start on garlic. What brand of herbal wormer?

    I would dose with cydectin, though the dosage I have is 4.5 cc per 25lb.
     
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  8. Nimmy

    Nimmy New Member

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    Aug 26, 2020
    Arkansas
    Feed store only had Quest, said the same as cydectin. A paste-what would the dosage be?
    Can probably get liquid cydectin tomorrow in another town.
     
  9. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    Quest is very strong and does not have a large margin for error. It is 1cc per 100lbs. Do NOT dose incorrectly.
     
  10. Nimmy

    Nimmy New Member

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    Aug 26, 2020
    Arkansas
    So at 75lb dose would be .75cc??Will measure dose with syringe and rechecking weight now.
     
  11. SalteyLove

    SalteyLove Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    New England
    Right
     
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  12. Sfgwife

    Sfgwife Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2018
    North Cakalaki
    Meadowmist is a good lab to send fecals to. The results will give a epg count and specific for each worm or cocci load they have. $6 a sample i think to send it in... might be $8 i cannot remember.
     
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  13. Nimmy

    Nimmy New Member

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    Aug 26, 2020
    Arkansas
    @SalteyLove, @happybleats, @goatblessings, @NigerianDwarfOwner707, @Sfgwife
    THANK YOU!! all for the information. Educating myself thoroughly on goat worms on this forum and other sites.
    Wormed with Quest (Jan 20), treating for anemia (famacha score-3), fortified B injections, oral B12, probios. My girl is looking better and back to her old self.
    I mixed my own herbal wormer with the most common 'worm' herbs. Land of Havilah wormer has been ordered (the free class offered with order-so helpful). KopSel also ordered. Very interested in essential oils, where can I learn more about their use with goats? Working on getting raw garlic accepted, starting with small amounts.
    Will be sending fecal samples for analysis to Meadowmist Lab tomorrow. Cost is $6.00.
    The only specific reference I could find for a second dose of Quest was to repeat at 21 days, is that correct?
    Once again-THANK YOU!!!
     
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  14. goathiker

    goathiker I'm watching you Staff Member Supporting Member

    Yes 21 days if you do it sooner you run the risk of overdose. It's stored in the body fat and released from there. Since dairy goats don't have a lot of fat normally it can attack the nerve endings causing transient hind end paralysis.
    If this does happen don't panic. Keep them warm, clean, fed and watered. They are usually up within a few days.

    It is a wormer that I have years of experience with.
     
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  15. TCOLVIN

    TCOLVIN TKC Farms

    Sep 21, 2014
    Cobbtown, Ga.
    On the garlic try first giving a dab of peanut butter. Once they like that for a time or 2 , take clove and swipe in a dab of peanut butter. Small cloves at first then larger whole cloves. Mind would never do anything but smell and walk off from the clove without peanut butter. Now I have to knock’em off of me so they can get it. Sometimes now I skip the PB and they just eat it clove at a time. I had one this week while I had three large bulbs in my hand , reared up and took a whole bulb from me and went to chewing on it. I had to catch and take it back but only got half of it as she have chewed it up with husks and root ball on it. 98% of mind now love the garlic but it is a training process. PB first then Garlic with PB, worked for me.
     
  16. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    I have a thread on here how I use essential oils to deworm my goats if you want a longer read..
    I use one drop each oregano wild orange lemon grass and digestzen in 3 cc olive oil. Per goat during hot humid weather along with LOH herbal parasite formula. And anytime a goat needs extra help. I use the oils for many issues such as bloat, udder congestion, tummy upset, URI...immune support. The list goes on. Using quality oils from a trusted source is imperative. Cheap store bought or Amazon purchased oils often have fillers and chemicals added so choose well. I buy and use DoTerra brand. Have used them for years on my family and animals.
     
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  17. Nimmy

    Nimmy New Member

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    Aug 26, 2020
    Arkansas
    @TCOLVIN will be trying the peanut butter idea. My goats are very 'treat' oriented, think it will work very well.
    @goathiker Thanks for the information. Hoping the second dose will be without problems but now I'm prepared for the possibility.
    @happybleats Once the current worm situation is under control, I will be returning to herbal management and so appreciate additional knowledge. I became complacent and forgot to consider the ever-changing factors in the care of my goats. Will be reading the longer thread now and finding DoTerra essential oils.
     
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  18. SalteyLove

    SalteyLove Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    New England
    Glad to see your update last week @Nimmy

    Another great place to learn more is the website wormx.info they have super great videos there about the science of goat parasites
     
  19. Nimmy

    Nimmy New Member

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    Aug 26, 2020
    Arkansas
    My girl is looking pretty good, starting to gain a bit of her weight back and being her normal self-complaining about the service (it's so good to hear her 'yelling' at me).
    @happybleats I will be making use of the products and the classes LOH has to offer.
    @NigerianDwarfOwner707 giving garlic daily, @TCOLVIN the peanut butter worked like a charm, have to offer it from outside the fence to avoid the stampede. @Sfgwife waiting for results from Meadowmist Lab so I'll know exactly what their worm load is currently. @SalteyLove I'll be studying worms, thanks for the info on the site.
    I'm so very grateful to everyone so freely sharing their knowledge. Thank you all!!!