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Worried about CL

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Bought a new doeling 2 months ago. Week later she starts coughing. Persistent. Like I'd hear her have episodes like 6-10 times a day. Each episode she does a whole body cough like 8-12 times in a row.
Other than that she seems fine. No runny nose, eats well, poop normal, famacha good. She is slim but growing fast. She is also mixed breed and I'm used to my plump Nigerians.

Tried ivermectin sq on food 3x 10 day intervals.
Still coughs.
Took her to a vet. Fecal was negative, though he did not do baermann. Said lungworm was probably not it.
He sent blood work to sage labs.
CL came back "uncertain". Vet thought that probably meant negative.
He gave her antibiotic.
Week later she was very slow moving. Although eating well. That cleared up and she was fine. Did that sluggish walk again 3 days later. And then next day was happy and bouncy. But still coughs.
Last week I'd say she was as perky as ever. Coughing maybe a little less.

Yesterday, my older doe with kid, started coughing 馃槺

I'm thinking more radical treatment for lungworm and retest everybody for CL in a couple of weeks.?

That CL is just scary. I have a very small herd

Thoughts please
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Testing kids under six months old is not reliable. My first thought for coughing would not be cl. Pneumonia, allergies, lu gworm... not sure how old to get lw though.
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Strongyloides aka threadworm/pinworm enter a goat through their feet, migrates to the lungs and intestinal tract. A fecal test can detect Strongyloides. Causes chronic coughing and wasting. Once the soil gets contaminated it can be picked up by other goats within the herd. Recommended to use a worming pen, and treat all goats.

Edit: Recommendations to use a worming pen and treat all goats came from Merck Veterinary as the source
Is it dusty there or are you feeding dusty hay?
Strongyloides aka threadworm/pinworm enter a goat through their feet, migrates to the lungs and intestinal tract. A fecal test can detect Strongyloides. Causes chronic coughing and wasting. Once the soil gets contaminated it can be picked up by other goats within the herd. Recommended to use a worming pen, and treat all goats.
When you say use a worming pen and treat all, how long do you keep them in the worming pen? How long do you keep off the pasture they were on? I do pasture rotation but I am am pushing the limits with this because of the three pastures there is some in all 3 pastures at the time.
How old are the doelings?
Doeling I brought into herd new was 3 months, so now 5 mos. My older doe is two years.
When you say use a worming pen and treat all, how long do you keep them in the worming pen? How long do you keep off the pasture they were on? I do pasture rotation but I am am pushing the limits with this because of the three pastures there is some in all 3 pastures at the time.
At least 12 hours in the worming pen. In the warm weather, I leave my browse sections/areas unused at least 3 months before turning the goats back into that area and only let them browse in any area for a maximum of 3 week. The whole field is unused once it starts to frost and winter kill begins to happen. During the cold months they stay in the dry lot and I bring ever green browse to them, and offer free choice hay. I also keep the dry lot cleaned of poop and waste hay daily, and the buckets/feed dishes, get washed before each use. The goats go back and forth from the dry lot to the browsing areas.
Testing kids under six months old is not reliable. My first thought for coughing would not be cl. Pneumonia, allergies, lu gworm... not sure how old to get lw though.
So is pneumonia contagious? Wouldn't there be other symptoms if she had pneumonia? I did treat with ivermectin for worms.
Seems like my vet should have told me testing for CL in young goat is unreliable. Sage labs has a different test than waddl, and waddl does recommend waiting till 6 months
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Strongyloides aka threadworm/pinworm enter a goat through their feet, migrates to the lungs and intestinal tract. A fecal test can detect Strongyloides. Causes chronic coughing and wasting. Once the soil gets contaminated it can be picked up by other goats within the herd. Recommended to use a worming pen, and treat all goats.
Vet did a fecal. Came back negative.
Is it dusty there or are you feeding dusty hay?
Forage only, a little BOSS and oats
Vet did a fecal. Came back negative.

Depends upon whether the worm/parasite is shedding eggs or bloomed at the particular time the fecal was ran. My own experience with a newly acquired weanling and his first fecal was negative results, and on retest 9 days later because of scours, the fecal then showed coccidiosis and low count strongyloides. This weanling had a chronic reoccurring cough as well, no elevated temperatures at any time, received rounds of antibiotic treatment that did not help. Another fecal after the second treatment with Corid showed a marked increase of strongloides and very low coccidiosis. All of this took place within a span of 32 day, owned him a total of 34 days. Began treatment with 3 rounds of Ivomectin (every 10 days) per vet dosages. 40 days later another fecal was done, the cough had resolved, and the strongyloid count was zero.
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Very interesting. I did do ivermectin 10 days apart 3x. I didn't really see any difference. But sounds like the next step is to do another fecal.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Tried ivermectin sq on food 3x 10 day intervals
What was the way you administered Ivermectin? Was a little confused whether it was given by injection or put on the feed. Also, what was the dosage amount and how much does she weigh? You are welcome, I hope it is an answer to the problem.
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It depends on what you are treating for. Ivomec injectable:

For mites, it is injected SQ.
Does kill some lice.
1 cc per 40lbs.
For a anemic goat and worms, it is SQ. 1 cc per 40lbs

For a goat who is not anemic, it can be given orally for worms.
You can use a syringe, no needle to give it.
1 cc per 33lbs.
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