Would You Keep These Baby Does?

Discussion in 'Mini Mania' started by capriola-nd, Jul 22, 2008.

  1. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    Okay, so I'm pretty sure we are keeping these two does but would still like to hear some "nice" opinions on them. :) Please be honest in what you think but also just a little nice. :wink:

    Doeling #1: Capriola ZH Leona Lanai
    Sire: Old Mountain Farm Zagnut Haze (Old Mountain Farm Ellison x Rosasharn's Hazel Nut 4*D)
    Dam: Mystiques Spirit of Isis Blue (Mystiques SG Blue Nuggett x Spiritwind Something Frosted)
    gold & white pinto

    Doeling #2: Capriola RB Adaleise in Blue
    Sire: Camanna LK Royal Blue (NC PromisedLand HS Lion King x Camanna FD Tasonni Blue)
    Dam: Camanna AL Sarai (Twin Creeks BT As You Like It*S x Mountain Quest BlueLiteSpecial)
    chamoisee, white poll; blue eyes

    I don't have an updated pic of Leona yet but hopefully will get one soon. She is long, level, and has a nice rump (doesn't show in this pic). I can't quite determine if her legs are "excellent" yet but they are certainly not bad at all.

    For our area (NW Oregon) these lines are pretty impressive but nothing compared to other lines, we're happy w/ what we have, even though it is pretty small. :)
  2. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    Here's dam's udders at 4 weeks fresh, 12 hours of milk. "Addie" slipped in the pen and drank from her mom's udder making it look funny, so I do not have a rear udder of Sarai, hopefully will get one soon. . . .

  3. Sweet Gum Minis

    Sweet Gum Minis New Member

    Oct 6, 2007
    Easley, SC
    I really like your chammie doeling, I would definitely retain her. She reminds me a great deal of one I kept here myself. She's also the same red chammy. Good length, uphill stance and width.

    First kid is good too, but isn't quite the eye candy the second is. I would easily retain both myself.
  4. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    One more thing. . . . sire's dam's udder pics. :D So many pictures. . . . :wink:

    This is a direct link to Leona's sire's dam on Old Mountain Farm site: http://www.oldmountainfarm.com/Does-Ref-RFHazelNut.html

    Whew! Got it all. . . . I think. Lemme know if I left something out! :)
  5. Sweet Gum Minis

    Sweet Gum Minis New Member

    Oct 6, 2007
    Easley, SC
    That's a camanna doe isn't it! :D
  6. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    Oops. Here's Tasonni's side udder.

    Yep! She is from Camanna. A lot of our goats are. Anna has basically the best goats around here. . . . I love that Anna always tells me the good & bad points of an animal. She is awesome!
  7. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    I definately like the chamoisee doe better, she looks like she would be a great show doe! What a beauty! The other one...her color is what I like most about her, but she is cute.

    I love the Camanna goats!! We had to make a special trip down to Oregon and bought up whatever she had avail. unfortunately she only had 3 available, but still sooooo happy I got them. Anna is just great and so are her goats!
  8. Sybil

    Sybil New Member

    Dec 21, 2007
    Rainier, Oregon
    I love the chammie doe also! She has a lot more style to her. She catches your eye more.
  9. SDK

    SDK New Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Yucaipa ca
    haha its funny i like both but the one that catches my eye is the pinto doeling. i like her
  10. liz

    liz Active Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    I really like both of them but if I had to choose which one would stay I'd have to go with the second kid...she's level with nice sharp withers and has length to her...besides being pretty :greengrin:
  11. Di

    Di Crazy Goat Lady

    Jan 29, 2008
    central PA
    Well, I'm no expert, but I also like the Chammy doeling...I think you should send that poor little gold/white doeling here. :greengrin:
  12. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    Thanks for the responses! Yeah, the chammie definitely is more "eye-catching". She is such a little spitfire and definitely not our friendliest kid but she's very pretty!

    I'm pretty sure I'll still keep the pinto though because I do not own her sire and he has incredible lines for high milkers and daughters who produce lots of milk (1/2 gallon+ a day). Her dam I am selling in the spring because I don't care too much for her personality and I need to reduce numbers in order to keep babies. Unfortunately I can't handle a herd of more than 15, getting close to that number now. . . . sounds pathetic, I know. :D I want to get an updated pic of Leona but she's a bottle baby now and her belly is a little "rounder". :) Her coat is going to be a pain to clip, I can tell already. Her dam has this "fluffy" coat that is not so much fun to clip and Leona's is prob going to be like that, oh well. . . . can't have everything I guess.
  13. Muddy Creek Farm

    Muddy Creek Farm New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Keokuk, Iowa
    THey are both pretty! But I do love that Chammy girl, she looks like she will be very nice. And she certainly is eye-catching!
  14. rebelshope

    rebelshope New Member

    Sep 20, 2008
    I have to disagree. I just really think you should not keep the chamoisee doe. You should send her to me :wink: She is just beautiful! :love:
  15. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    Thanks! :) She is very pretty and not friendly at all. :roll: She drives me nuts w/ her personality! My little sister calls her "the wild one". She comes up to me w/ Delais in her arms and says "I caught the wild one!" :) Very proud of herself. I'm working w/ her and she's doing a lot better but still not very friendly. So wierd because her dam is very friendly. . . .

    The only problem w/ Delais (the chammy girl) is that now her withers are not as sharp, I hope she grows out of that! She's still very long and pretty. . . .
  16. Sonrise Farm

    Sonrise Farm New Member

    Sep 18, 2008
    Southwick, Idaho
    the second doeling is very nice.
  17. PiccoloGoat

    PiccoloGoat goat girl x0x0

    Sep 10, 2008
    *screams* Dont sell leona !


    *steals and chains to chunk of heavy stuff (Lead?)*

    Yeah i luff her
  18. mnspinner

    mnspinner New Member

    Aug 13, 2008
    First off, your pix of doe 2 are more revealing than doe 1. Also doe 1 has a longer coat which again, makes it more difficult to get an accurate read on her.
    BUT - based on your shots and pedigree, I definitely hands down go with the chammy. She has more presence to my eye, looks level, long bodied, wide up front and just an all around more eye-catching kid. Her immediate bloodline features more acclaimed individuals as well.
    I just love those Camanna goats, and if I weren't clear across the country my herd would be heavily composed of those lines.
    Her approach is that of a more stylish, streamlined, dairy look that I so admire. The challenge is getting that refined structure to go with a superb udder. I love that Tasonni!
    Back to your question, I concur with the majority - the chammy looks to be the better choice.
  19. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    Thanks for your thoughts everyone! We kept them both. The chammy girl is still very nice although her withers are not quite as sharp, hopefully that's just a stage of growth. Leona's withers are not as sharp either. . . . both of them are really LONG, Leona is a tad longer though, her dam is just about freight-train long, so that doesn't surprise me.

    I personally like Leona's dam's udder better than Delais (the chammy girl). Delais's dam has a really nice udder w/ lots of milk but could have a more defined medial and slightly better placed teats (that's being really picky!) I kept Leona because of her sire's abundant milking genetics and the fact that her dam is SUPER easy to milk w/ huge orifices that express milk so quickly.

    I love Camanna too! I'm so happy we bought the buck from Tasonni! We were looking at some other does from Camanna that were due to kid, but are so happy we went with Royal Blue, he's very handsome! Next year, we'll probably have to sell him to bring in some new bloodlines, but if there's a way we could keep him, I'll find it! ;) Anna's goats do have that wonderful dairy look, udders could be a tad improved but she's doing great!

    Oh, and the coat lengths were just because they weren't clipped and Leona naturally has a longer coat than Delais.
  20. PiccoloGoat

    PiccoloGoat goat girl x0x0

    Sep 10, 2008