This last Friday (15), I was having a 4H meeting but instead of a MEETING we though it would be need to go to this local ladies house and she was going to teach us how to make goat soap. I called and she said she was to busy. Well almost all the kids volunteered to go to her place and help her. You know do some community service. They said they would help her clean stall and feed and what ever else. Well, I had to work until 11:00, I got pizza ands took it to them for lunch. They started tell me the horror stories. They found dead goats, donkeys feet that have maybe never been trimmed, they were about 6" long and they were curling up, goats with extremely swollen scrotum's, no hair, barely able to walk. A steer in a pen that was about 6' x 8'. No more then that. He could barely turn around. On top of all that she was making these kids that were VOLUNTEERING clean the pens that were at least 8" deep and once they were cleaned, she made the sweep them out. SWEEP. Maybe I am a bad goat person but I would never sweep the stall. I mean the dirt stalls. The kids would tell her they were done with the stall and she would say without looking, NO YOU ARE NOT, it would take longer if it was clean. I took pictures of it all. I was sick. She had 12 bucks in a run that was about 3' wide and 12' long. That is all the room other then the stall. OH she told the kids to move the bucks and clean the other stall. (I put a stop to that, no way were kids going to be moving bucks around, my daughter was the oldest kid, and she was only 17). I did have it out with her. I told her that is she can not keep up with the animals then maybe she should not have so many, well that did not go over very well. She explained that she loved all her goats, and she only has a hard time during kidding season. She had 26 goats kid and she had 24 more. I tell you I thought it would be a great experience to see how things should be done and it ended up being how things should NOT be done. We did get to see how the soap was made and she gave all the kids a bar of soap, and lotion. She even called me at home and told me she was very thankful for the kids and they did a wonderful job. (that was because she heard how I was mad at the fact that is someone is volunteering you should not abuse them). I do understand that they did agree to help her, but you could tell the stalls have not been cleaned in a VERY LONG TIME. I will have to post pictures if I can find my camera. I did tell all the kids to scrub their boots in bleach water when they get home and NOT to go in their pens in those shoes until they do it.