Hot compresses, massage, milk. Use penicillin. Get mastitis treatment like Tomorrow to also infuse the udder.

 

Thank you! What would the penicillin dosage be?

 

1cc per 20 lbs.

 

Is Terramycin a form of penicillin or can it be used in cases of mastitis.

 

is it a hard mass or congestion? if milk looks good and taste good, then there is not infection. There is also a possibility its a tumor. Any heat in the udder? redness? Doing hot compresses and massages as Karen suggested is a good start. If you have not tastes the milk, do so. If its the start of infection may have a slight salty taste to it.

 

I've never really drank goat milk, do you think i would be able to tell what "tastes good" is supposed to taste like?

 

Also, I have a question if anyone knows the answer to this. I read here: http://tennesseemeatgoats.com/MeatGoatMania/March2013/index.html that you are supposed to give milk of magnesia for mastitis. Is this needed? It says that magnesium helps with milk production but we are not trying to milk her, we want her to be dry?

 

Anyone have any input on the above?

 

I drink goat milk and only goat milk. I’ll say that when it tastes off, ew — don’t you know it!! It’s very obviously sour or gamey tasting (why people think goat milk tastes “goaty” sometimes).

Good milk shouldn’t really have much of a flavor at all. That’s usually how you know it’s good.

Garlic, vitamin c, decongestant EOs on the udder in a warm compress.

 

My vet milked some milk into his hand and tasted it. No filtering or anything. Was looking for the salty taste and luckily that time the milk was fine. [emoji1]

 

(rofl) while that wont kill anyone to do I could never bring myself to do that LOL YUK Maybe Im a sissy lol

 

I would totally drink milk straight from the teat in a field test lol. (If it came out normal color, texture, and smell wise) Props to that vet(clap):7up:

 

Okay. We went out and took May's temp again and it was normal. We milked out the swollen side of the udder, and have come to the conclusion that it is not congested. It feels hot, and normal looking milk (no blood or pus) comes out (we didn't drink it but the cats liked it lol). However, there is what feels like an encapsulated mass in there, surrounded by the milk/softness. It is hard.
Our question is, should we start infusing the udder? Or does she need it to be lanced at the vet?
If we should start infusing I know @ksalvagno recommended Tomorrow (https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/p...uct/bivi-tomorrow-cephaperin-benzathine-dry-cow-mastitis-treatment?cm_vc=-10005). How often should that be given? Once a day? For how many days? One syringe full, into the side that has the mass? Or both sides? (the other side is empty and normal). Sorry for the questions, we have never done this before.
Of course that would be in addition to the peppermint oil, vit c, compresses, and penicillin shots.

While we were out there we checked our other doe Phronsie, who also had a small (not near as big as May's) precocious udder. One side was slightly full. Hers is soft and squishy, normal looking milk (no blood or pus), and no hard mass. However, a small hole in her udder had some yellow pus coming out of it.
So should we treat her the same way? Just infusions, or the shots and others stuff too? As well as treating the hole with blu kote, etc. She does not have a mass.

 

Okay. We went out and took May's temp again and it was normal. We milked out the swollen side of the udder, and have come to the conclusion that it is not congested. It feels hot, and normal looking milk (no blood or pus) comes out (we didn't drink it but the cats liked it lol). However, there is what feels like an encapsulated mass in there, surrounded by the milk/softness. It is hard.
Our question is, should we start infusing the udder? Or does she need it to be lanced at the vet?
If we should start infusing I know @ksalvagno recommended Tomorrow (https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/p...uct/bivi-tomorrow-cephaperin-benzathine-dry-cow-mastitis-treatment?cm_vc=-10005). How often should that be given? Once a day? For how many days? One syringe full, into the side that has the mass? Or both sides? (the other side is empty and normal). Sorry for the questions, we have never done this before.
Of course that would be in addition to the peppermint oil, vit c, compresses, and penicillin shots.

While we were out there we checked our other doe Phronsie, who also had a small (not near as big as May's) precocious udder. One side was slightly full. Hers is soft and squishy, normal looking milk (no blood or pus), and no hard mass. However, a small hole in her udder had some yellow pus coming out of it.
So should we treat her the same way? Just infusions, or the shots and others stuff too? As well as treating the hole with blu kote, etc. She does not have a mass.

Anyone? We bought the Tomorrow

 

@toth boer goats @happybleats @mariarose @SalteyLove @ksalvagno @Goat Whisperer

 

Can you exchange the Tomorrow for the Today? She's in milk (even if you don't want her to be, she is), and the Today is for in milk. You DON'T want to dry her up while mastitic. Roaring, Raging infection when she freshens again.

I'd give Today, 1 tube in each side for a week, Penicillin injections for a week, garlic and vitamin C, and I'd do the magnesium (MOM). I'd give just a little of it so as to not cause diarrhea. If you have Replamin, it also has magnesium in a highly digestible form. The epsom salts in a compress, I think, Is a super idea. I've not thought of it before. Keep it milked out, you can dry her up after you cure her. Give the in-the-udder treatments after you milk, not before.

All this comes from my experience with mastitis, not with precocious udders. I have no experience with them.

 

My doe had lumps in her udder. Which I thought was mastitis. I got these https://www.jefferspet.com/products/mastitis-test-strips-box-of-30 they are mastitis tests. Her test was negative for mastitis. What I used to decrease the lumps in her udder was peppermint oil with a carrier oil ( I used peanut oil ). You can use other oils to. It really helped decrease the size of the lumps.

 

Pus indicates infection. I think an antibiotic is called for if you have a hole oozing pus.

Try hard to not dry her up until the infection is gone, because although you don't care about the udder being useable, Bacterial infections are known to travel and spread. They don't stay put. Also, this is a precocious udder. No reason to think she'll stay dry/

Also, and this is not meant to be mean, what happens to her if you have to sell her, as I've had to decimate my herd under hurried and very imperfect ways, and she doesn't go to a pet home? Precocious udders are a sign of high production capabilities, the new owner may well want a production animal, but she can't shake this infection that has now a permanent place in her body. She'll just be passed along and passed along to worse and worse homes (potentially, chances are high)

So, this is the best advice I've got. This is a good reason why goats should be OK with having their stuff fondled, even when they aren't dairy producers. Treatment happens...

I know you'll make the best decision you can. I've only given my best reasoning here. Nothing more.

 

So would you recommend using the today instead, to restore her udder? I understand your point. We already have one doe (Thelma) whose udder is completely wrecked (full of scar tissue). It is ideal to not have that happen again.

 

That makes sense to me. I was under the impression it did not start working right away and you want it to start right away. Yes, I say go ahead and use the Tomorrow then. But I wouldn't just use it once. I'd use it every day because you will be milking her out every day.

So, that's my current caveat.

 

Basically what Maria said above was along the lines of:

"I wouldn't use the Tomorrow today, I would use the Today tomorrow." Unless you can get some Today, today. :heehee::clever:

LOL I'm sorry I shouldn't be joking. The names for these products just crack me up.(doh)

Anyway, since she's a pet, I say use either. Since you have Tomorrow, go ahead and use it.

But do not forget Garlic & Vitamin C and an Epsom salt compress.

 

I have another question, are we supposed to put the tomorrow in the lumpy side once a day? Or two? We are milking May twice a day. She has a tiny bit of milk, most of the swollen part is the lump. We put the tomorrow in last night and again this morning. Do we need to do it again today?

We started Phronsie on penicillin shots 2x a day and milking, spraying the tiny hole in her udder with iodine 2x a day. She had no lumps and no fever, and the hole is already scabbing over, so she doesn't need tomorrow right?

 

I'd only milk her once a day. It's me, but I think it would be better to milk her once a day, and put the medicine in right after that, and leave it in for the full 24 hours to work it's druggie magic before doing it again.

I'd give the other one a single tube of Tomorrow, Just in case. I'd live it in and not milk it out, like Tomorrow is supposed to be used.

That's what I'd do...

 

I agree, tomorrow does not dry off a doe.

I have used the opposite on some does when I was out of the one and it works.

 

Im no expert but I once had a doe kidded twice while we kept her and she always kept a tight hard udder when lactating. She never would milk out. Even for the her kids. We tried massage, and shots of oxytocin but it didn't make much difference. It's like her milk wouldn't let down. We finally gave up and she was healthy otherwise and none the worse but she would have made a poor milker. Also to my understanding... Udders normally feel warm so if youre not used to feeling them then they might feel hot. How do you know its not congestion?

 

We feel a lump in the udder. There is milk and normal softness surrounding the lump.

 

Where is the lump exactly? There is a Lymph node top center of the back of the udder..or is he lump IN the udder half?

 

It is a large lump, in that half of the udder

 

Bummer, was hoping it was the LN.

 

So Phronsie is looking a lot better! The hole is healing up and udder is basically empty.

We are doing the Penicillin for 5 days, 5cc/100lbs, is that right?

For May, (the one with the lump), when should we stop the daily infusions?

 

So Phronsie is looking a lot better! The hole is healing up and udders are basically empty.

We are doing the Penicillin for 5 days, 5cc/100lbs, is that right?

For May, (the one with the lump), when should we stop the daily infusions?

I believe the treatment should go on for 3-5 days? Though I'm not sure.

 

I always do 5 days. when I'm milking it out. ( only do 1 day when she's dry and I'm leaving it in for long term protection.

 

We finished the penicillin shots (finally, they hated them, especially May, by the fifth day she had figured out to lay down when she saw the needle coming), and Phronsie appears to be all healed up! The hole is healed and her udder is limp and practically empty. We put a tube of tomorrow in just in case though.

May's lump is a little smaller! Where before you could not fit your hand around it, now you can! She is still producing milk from the lump side.
Our question is, do we stop the daily infusions since it has been 5 days? And just continue milking, vit c, compresses, and cream (we are using this: https://www.jefferspet.com/products/dynamint-udder-cream)
Do you think continuing to do that daily will help the lump dissipate? Is it safe to continue infusions past 5 days?

They have also gotten daily replamin and probiotics.

(As a side note, May is a huge pain to milk. She was never trained on the stand and bucks and kicks almost the entire time, ugh)

 

I can't be around much today, I'm sorry. Were she mine, I'd keep milking for a week, with garlic and vitamin C. After a week, I'd re-evaluate about starting shots/Today/Tomorrow again, according to how she responds. I'm sorry, because I know that isn't what you want to hear.

You will decide to do what you think is best, though. My advice is because of how I'd feel facing a tougher, stronger infection if I quit before the infection was completely subdued.

Good luck.

 

There is a homeopathic product called Mastoblast. It's a ten day oral treatment for mastitis. I found it helpful with congestion. Jeffers carries it. It may help reduce the lump or at least prevent infection.

https://www.jefferspet.com/products/mastoblast

 

There is a homeopathic product called Mastoblast.

I've never tried that, but I've read great things.

This may be your best solution @21goaties... But I'd still milk daily until this is resolved. Maybe if you aren't shoving needles in her everytime you touch her udder, she'll calm down about the milking?