It is good you are taking him back to the vet. Sounds like he may need more Banamine.

 

I agree more banamine is needed.

You said you just banded them last Saturday?
Just so you know, it takes a month or more for them to totally die, dry/shrivel up, then drop off.

The band cuts of blood supply and circulation of the tissue of the scrotum, causing it to die.
It doesn't happen quickly.
A very slow process.

 

I agree more banamine is needed.

You said you just banded them last Saturday?
Just so you know, it takes a month or more for them to totally die, dry/shrivel up, then drop off.

The band cuts of blood supply and circulation of the tissue of the scrotum, causing it to die.
It doesn't happen quickly.
A very slow process.

They were both yelling and screaming and rolling on the ground 3 days later. I reached out to a couple goat mentors I have and they felt something was definitely not going right if they were in that much pain several days later.

Maybe I overreacted and took bad advice?

He is up this morning and he nursed for the first time since Sunday. He isn't showing much discomfort as of right now and is out grazing with the herd. We will see how the rest of the day goes. We are supposed to get a lot of rain this evening and tomorrow so I plan on cleaning a few stalls and moving the banded ones and their dams inside on some straw to make sure their wounds stay clean.

 

As far as banamine goes, I do have 4 syringes with 1cc in each left but I was told to hold off by the vet since more than 3 days in a row can cause serious ulcers.

 

Use banamine as needed.
If he is acting OK and eating, there is no need to give it.
When they are in pain, they won't eat and may squirm.

We keep flies off of it, by spraying blue spray or fly wound spray Catron daily.

Watching for odd swelling, really bad smell, pus, redness above the band.

When bucks are banded, it is very uncomfortable, it is a very sensitive area. Think about it.

If they are very well endowed, it is harder on them.
They will squirm and move funny and maybe stiff legged for a few days anyway.
I always give banamine right when I am banding them, to help with swelling and pain.

Some take it worse than others.
But it is normal considering what we just did to them.

Yeah, I think you were misguided.

 

It may take them several days to become okay again. You have to consider that their testicles are large than those most of us band so it'll be more painful longer.

 

Thanks for the input. It is much appreciated.

 

I may have missed it. But please be sure to give tetanus antitoxin shot asap if not already done. (Not cd&t...they need the antitoxin)
We do banamine 30 minutes before banding..seems to help..but yes some take it harder than others.

 

yes they got one already. Thanks for double checking.

 

Just wanted to add my own two cents.
The kicking thing is something I've seen in my bucklings as well...I just had one castrated surgically last month and he is all healed up now. Few days into the surgery, he would also jump and kick, bleating with pain. It can happen when flies or mosquitoes sit on it; it hurts them because the area is sensitive. I agree with toth Boer goats about using fly spray and keeping the area clean.

I am a bit curious about the peeing blood thing...did the vet say it is normal with the surgical castration? That's the only way goats are castrated around here, and iv never heard or seen of it....I may be wrong of course.

 

I am a bit curious about the peeing blood thing...did the vet say it is normal with the surgical castration? That's the only way goats are castrated around here, and iv never heard or seen of it....I may be wrong of course.

Your goats weren't banded before they were surgically castrated. With this unusual circumstance I'm not surprised by blood in the urine. I had a buckling pee blood for a couple of days after he got whacked (deservedly) in the testicles by another goat. Traumatic injury can definitely cause it but thankfully it's not usually serious.

 

Alright, well that goat seems to be doing well and the hole seems to be scabbing up.

I checked the other goat who seemed to bounce back very quick and he has white discharge and it smells infected.

I gave him a shot of antibiotic Excede that they sent me home with, and sprayed it with chlorohexidine. Excede is the antibiotic they gave them at the time of the procedure along with the CD&T booster and tetanus shot. Chlorohexidine is the only thing I have on hand. I couldnt get into the sack very well as it’s closing together.

Temped him at 103.2 and he is acting fine, drinking and eating.

Still plan on calling the vet in the morning and will be keeping a close eye on him until then.

 

Alright, well that goat seems to be doing well and the hole seems to be scabbing up.

I checked the other goat who seemed to bounce back very quick and he has white discharge and it smells infected.

I gave him a shot of antibiotic Excede that they sent me home with, and sprayed it with chlorohexidine. Excede is the antibiotic they gave them at the time of the procedure along with the CD&T booster and tetanus shot. Chlorohexidine is the only thing I have on hand. I couldnt get into the sack very well as it's closing together.

Temped him at 103.2 and he is acting fine, drinking and eating.

Still plan on calling the vet in the morning and will be keeping a close eye on him until then.

If you have a sterile syringe, you can try flushing out the wound with the chlorhexidine, but just this once. Afterwards, it's best to use iodine diluted to the colour of weak tea. The vet may have to drain the wound if it's infected and closing up....Good luck on the little guy

 

This morning his temp was 102.1. Didn’t see any puss and the smell was significantly less. The scrotum was wet so maybe it’s just draining out. He seems to be acting fine. Vet said since he is improving to just keep an eye on it and clean it out best I can. Give another shot of excede in a few days.

 

Glad they are doing better.

 

I agree with the others.

You are doing a good job.
Keep flushing it out with iodine water.

If you have flies around, you have to use something to detour them like...

 

I'm not sure how long it will take to heal since I can't see how big the wounds are. It doesn't usually take long once the testicles are gone (a couple of weeks maybe?). The wounds should get smaller and drier each day with minimal blood and pus. There's usually enough to make crust and ooziness, but there shouldn't be enough to run down the legs or drip. The wounds may have a faint bad odor from time to time (especially since it's summer), but not enough to make you notice unless you stick your nose up to it, and it should stink less as time goes on.

Things to watch out for are soreness, redness, irritation, swelling, putrid odor, dripping pus, bleeding, flies and maggots, goats going off feed or acting lethargic. If you keep up with topical antibiotics and fly repellant, you shouldn't have a problem. I personally prefer Wonder Dust, but there are lots of good topical sprays, ointments, and powders out there that will do the trick.

 

I want to give an update just incase someone else has the same issue and stumbles upon this thread.

We ended up taking them back to the vet as one had a nasty cough and the others scrotum started to smell very bad along with a fever of 104.7 in both of them. The vet gave them another shot of antibiotics that I did not catch the name of. When I got them both home neither could stand and acted drunk. I called the vet and he said it was due to the stress and fever most likely. They were down for about 8 hours and then started to act normal again. Fevers were gone in both of them along with the cough in the other.

Two weeks later the scrotums were healed and everything looked great. The scrotums then detached where the original bands were placed. This created a second open wound. It did mostly look like a flesh wound as the hole into their abdomen was closed. One did have slight white discharge for a couple days but now both of them are pretty close to being healed completely. This entire endeavor has lasted 6 weeks.

 

Wow. Glad they are healing.

 

Man what an ordea, glad you have a great vet and he was treated properly.